Michael,

This helps immensely, and I truly appreciate the help. I fussed around with it for another hour or so, got 90% of what I want, then took what you had done and got 100% in about 1% of the time following your method.

I think you are right, designing in 3D takes more up front thinking and planning. Getting the layout right from the get go in your head on how to build what you want seems to be a big piece of what I was missing on this.

I'll keep playing around with this, I'm sure I'll have more questions.

Thanks again for the guidance.