hi michael,

i agree with you 100%. i have narrowed this down to the draftsmen method, that you mentioned, as well. i'll let you know if i get this to work out and post a pic of it. i have ruled out the other methods mentioned.

if the draftsmen method works out, and you intended to have an elliptical leading edge, you should be able to define the ellipse by its length and width. the moi ellipse tool could easily generate the ellipse with that info. i just need to see if i can make that ellipse with the draftsmen method.

thanks for the suggestions