^Ugh, why do I get the strange feeling my internals look like that?? :-P

Yes, I think where I go off track with MOI and my wishes is when I look for >interactive GUI< based tools more than simple command oriented functions.

I saw all of those buttons for the LWCAD functions but I certainly wasn't looking for all of that - just simply the click-click placement of segments and how the pipe would bend automatically etc., adjusting the corner radius would have been icing...

I already expect to do that kind of work using LWCAD after I upgrade to v3 (gotta have some justification for keeping Lightwave installed) but of course staying in MOI would have been ideal...

-Will