i am a rhino user, and i'm a bit offended that someone would post such a negative comment. This is surely NOT the feeling of the rhino user base... There has been some threads with mention of Rhino, and Michael has never once made any negative comment about McNeel or Rhino (not that i've seen). If you're referring to an incident in the past, just leave it in the past and move on... As a new beta program, Moi is off to a great start and so far is developing a nice & FRIENDLY community. Michael has been very supportive and responsive to the needs of the beta users... So please don't post here if you have nothing postitve to contribute. :)